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The Rapture and 2017
Prophecy - Signs
Friday, May 05, 2017
Pete Garcia
Several years ago there was a growing movement within the watcher community that really tried to justify the Rapture happening in 2011. I remember this being a high-watch year for the Rapture of the Church and people were coming out of the woodwork with dreams and visions trying to validate/justify this reasoning.
The excitement centered on the idea that if we added 70 years to 1948, it would bring us to the year 2018. According to this logic, if the Second Coming took place in 2018, then by necessity we would have to subtract the required seven years for the Tribulation to occur, bringing us back to the year 2011. Well, 2011 came and went and we are still here. Clearly, there were some faults in this logic.
Although I remain hopeful every year, I did not throw my lot in with the majority in this group simply because I still had many reservations about the timing. My problem with 2011, was that it did not coincide with any other combination of years as they pertain to any pattern of historically significant or prophetic events as they relate to Israel…God’s prophetic timepiece. Interestingly, I had my own “dream” if you can call it that in March of 2012. It was very vivid in my mind even after I woke up and I emailed Jack Kinsella about it.
Jack probably thought I was off my rocker a little, but I kept this dream to myself for the most part over these last five years. I tend not to give a lot of credence to dreams and I do not consider them divine messages per se…but I do not completely discount them either. I think we must use discernment in these issues. But back on point, if you added 50 years to 1967, you would get 2017. But if you subtracted seven years from 2017 for a Second Coming, it takes you back to 2010 which cuts the seven-year tribulation (Daniel’s 70th Week) short by one year if you used 2011 as the benchmark. You could try this with any other year besides 2017 and you continually run into the same issues of numerical and prophetic incongruence.
Another high watch year was 2007, which if you were to subtract 40 years from, would bring you to 1967; the year the Jews recaptured Jerusalem in the Six Day War. Seeing as that time (and a subsequent seven-year tribulation) has come and gone, clearly, this could not have been the case, unless perhaps you happen to be a hardcore historical-preterist. (Just kidding) Other high watch years tended to be more symbolic than anything: 2012, 2000, 1999, etc. The truth is that Christ could have returned at any of those times but He didn't. If Israel is the SUPERSIGN of the last days (which I believe it is), then Israel has been back in her land since 1948. She has had control of Jerusalem since 1967. Why then are we still here in 2017 and the Lord has yet to return? What is He waiting on?
Assessment
But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:8-9
I do not think the Lord’s patience is random or arbitrary. Neither do I think it is simply because He is longsuffering (even though He is). But if longsuffering were God’s sole prerogative, then He could choose to wait until every last person alive today either dies in unbelief or converts and becomes a believer. This could take another hundred years or more which, in my opinion, would maximize longsuffering to its uttermost. But we then have two dilemmas; one which states that God is longsuffering and wants none to perish (this is true), and the other which is a Bible that states that the whole world (minus those redeemed) would enter into a time of judgment for their unbelief. Thus we must deduce that God’s longsuffering, in regards to a Christ-rejecting world, has an expiration date. So why should we think 2017 is any different or more special than 2011, 2007, 1999, 1988, etc.? Let’s recap what we know:
The significance of 2017:
[list="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: georgia,"]
[*]1897-2017=120 years, (Warning till judgment) First Zionist Congress convenes
[*]1917-2017=100 years, (God allows for time to store up judgment against the Amorites) Balfour Declaration
[*]1947-2017=70 years, (Punishment for Israel’s violation of the Land Sabbath) Israel wins right for statehood on 29 November 1947
[*]1967-2017=50 years, (Jubilee) Israel regains all of Jerusalem back in Six Day War
[*]1977-2017=40 years, (Period of testing) beginning of trials Vis a Vis "Land for Peace" beginning with the Camp David Accords
[*]1987-2017=30 years, (Priestly duties begin at 30 years of age) Temple Mount Institute founded
[*]The Jubilees
[/list]
I believe that trying to justify anyone single definition of a generation in the Bible is futile. There are several examples of how long a generation could be, thus I do not believe the Bible pins its definition to just one. We know that before the flood, and just afterward, people lived for centuries which would make the standard 25-40 year generation seem awfully short. Likewise, we know that in the ensuing time different cultures have varying life spans. Thus trying to determine the exact length of a generation is pointless. Well, how then can we know what Jesus was referring to in the “Parable of the Fig Tree” when He said this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place (Matt. 24:32-34)? Well, about the only thing we can discern from this comes from the above-underlined portion, which harkens back to the length of time God has given a man to live in our present age.
The days of our lives are seventy years;
And if by reason of strength they are eighty years,
Yet their boast is only labor and sorrow;
For it is soon cut off, and we fly away. Psalm 90:10
We know some folks live longer than 70 or 80 years, but there also many who do not even reach 70 years of age. I believe this is a general average for all mankind and still allows for exceptions. Psalm 90 was the only one Moses penned and he lived to be 120 years old (Deut. 34:7). But concerning 2017, there has been at least five different points that converge together at this particular year. Grouping them you have:
In fact, no other year has so many signs pointing to it that it could be confused for any other. No other combination works. This leads me to three points: the first by the angel Gabriel (to Daniel), the second by Jesus, and the third by the apostle Paul.
Daniel
The 70 Weeks Prophecy (as given to Daniel) would pinpoint the precise time period the Messiah would come to Israel by pointing out that He would be killed in the 483rd year (out of 490). This tells me two things:
[list="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: georgia,"]
[*]God does not shrink back from telling us precise things about the future.
[*]That if His people were to pay attention, they would know without a shadow of a doubt, when the Messiah would come.
[/list]
Yet, only a handful of people were anticipating the Messiah’s arrival at the correct time (Wise men from the east, Simeon, Anna the prophetess, and John the Baptist's parents). Jesus even remarked in Luke 19:41-44 that they (the Jews and Jerusalem) should have recognized their day (Palm Sunday) and that it was exactly 483 years to the day (173,880 days) since the recognizable commandment as was given to the cupbearer Nehemiah in his book, chapter 2.
Jesus
In His Olivet Discourse, Jesus explained that there would be 16 general signs marking the end of the age. Yet, these signs have been present in every generation. The distinction He makes is that they would escalate in size, frequency, and intensity until they reach a culmination point (i.e.…birth pangs would not go on indefinitely). Then He gives an absolutely obvious, unmistakable sign that happens smack dab in the middle of the 70th Week (three and a half years into the seven years) which is known as the Abomination of Desolation (Matt. 24:15).
So if we backward plan from the Abomination of Desolation would first require that a Jewish temple existed again. Remember He told them at the beginning of His Olivet Discourse that the Temple would be destroyed to the extent that not one stone would be left on the other (Matt. 23:37-24:2). For a Jewish temple to exist again requires that Jews are back in control of Jerusalem which had not been the case for 2,000 years. For Jews to control Jerusalem means that they would have to be back in their land as a sovereign Jewish nation. Clearly, the Arabs would not have any need or desire to rebuild a Jewish temple. Only Jews, in control of their land, would have the need and desire to rebuild a Jewish Temple. What they had lacked for the last 50 years, is the political will.
But the interesting thing Jesus stated (this after chastising the Pharisees for not recognizing the signs of the times-Matt. 16:1-4), was that no man could know the day or hour (Matt. 24:36). He stated only the Father would know when He would send His Son back to earth to fetch the Church. We know this is in reference to the Rapture because once the Tribulation begins, it is clearly defined by two, three and a half year halves of 42 months or 1,260 days each (Daniel 7:5; Revelation 12:6, 14, 13:5). One could easily count down the time from either the covenant (Dan. 9:27) or the Abomination of Desolation (Matt. 24:15, 2 Thess. 2:4) to know when the Second Coming would occur.
I believe because Jesus is being so specific here (day or hour) He is simply telling us that for two thousand years, mankind would not know the exactness of His return. It is not that we won’t know, but that we couldn’t know simply because this was all predicated on Israel being back in her land. With the exception of a certain Evangelicals and Dispensationalists of the 19th century, nobody expected Israel back as a nation again. Even then, these men didn’t know that it would require two World Wars for that to become a reality. In light of that fact, Israel is now back in her land. Now that we can clearly see this means we should know the season of His return is at hand. I would wager to say that the late 19th and 20th centuries were the ramping up of birth pangs and we all know what follows birth pangs? The Birth of the Church at the Rapture (Romans 8:22-23, 28-30)
Another thing to consider about those few Jews who read and anticipated Daniels 70 Weeks prophecy. They knew the Messiah would die in the 483rd year (of the 490 years per verse 9:26), but what they didn't know was how old the Messiah would be when He died. Even the Wise Men had to follow a Star (a cosmic sign) to Bethlehem. So while they did not know exactly when the Messiah would be alive, they had a general idea. (See Daniel 2 for why I hold that view on the Wise Men).
So for the better part of 2000 years, men, women, scholars, teachers and everyone else has wondered...when will Jesus return? But the missing key to making this whole puzzle come unlocked was the nation of Israel. Without Israel back in her land, there could be no AoD, because there would not be a Jewish temple, which means that those aforementioned 16 general signs would have had no frame of reference by which to place them. We even have a saying now that coincides with this: WWI prepared the land (Israel) for the people (the Jews), and WWII prepared the people (the Jews) for the land (Israel). Without Israel, those general signs would have just kept flowing cyclically both waxing and waning according to Satan's schemes and agenda.
Paul
The last reference is to the apostle Paul. He explains the Rapture of the Church to the fledgling Thessalonian church and in doing so (remember they didn't have chapter breaks back in the original texts) he states that they needn't fear because they (we) would recognize the season. After the Rapture, there is immediately sudden destruction, and they (Non-believers) shall not escape. Read it all together.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words. But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-5:5
I believe Paul believed that the Rapture of the Church would/could be imminent. He didn’t know (or at least we are not told whether he knew) when exactly it would occur. In his 2ndletter to the Thessalonians, Paul does clarify that the Antichrist (son of perdition) could NOT come, until the Restrainer (the Holy Spirit) was taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed (2 Thess. 2:6-8). Just as the Holy Spirit existed and operated on the earth prior to the day of Pentecost, so too will He exist and operate post-Rapture. What changes is His role in sealing a particular group of people known as the Church (salt and light) who being neither Jew nor Gentile, but a new creation (2 Cor. 5:17).
Conclusion
Just as the Pharisees refused to walk the 5 miles from Jerusalem to Bethlehem to see this newborn King of the Jews (Matt. 2:1-12), so too are their modern day counterparts (the skeptical religious class) who are unwilling to recognize the signs of the time. They do so at their own peril (at a minimum is a loss of spiritual rewards) because they refuse to teach, watch, or listen to those who do wait for the Lords return (2 Peter 3:3-7).
Will Christ return in 2017? I believe all signs point to yes making it a strong contender year, but that's just my opinion.
Will my faith be shaken if He does not? No, because I know without a doubt we are in The Season, just not sure which season that means. Does Christ’s return have to align with a Biblical Feast Date like Pentecost (Shavuot) or the Feast of Trumpets? From a historical and scriptural standpoint, it would seem logical...i.e., Christ fulfilled prophecies on the first four including the conception of the Church at Pentecost. But since I can’t see into the future, I really do not know. Logically, given all the signs of convergence, it seems like a strong year to keep looking up.
To answer a previous question, if Israel was the SUPERSIGN, why has He yet to return? I believe Galatians 4:4-5 answers that for us.
When Jesus came the first time, it was at the fullness of times (Gal. 4:4-5). Since Rome was the world power in Christ’s first century and they were the epitome of judicial law, regional order and stability (Pax Romana), military might, common language, accumulated knowledge, and so forth, that was God’s definition of the fullness of times. I believe that God’s longsuffering has been demonstrated quite thoroughly seeing that it is both 70 years since Israel become a nation again and 50 years since they’ve regained Jerusalem. Should the Lord tarry beyond 2017, all significance to the timing (see above) would move into the realm of random and arbitrary. This is not to say that God couldn’t still extend the time though if He chooses.
Fast forward to today, where mankind has dabbled and dominated in every domain of life to include playing God. The 20th century saw man break the sound barrier, walk on the moon, and built large hadron colliders. Communication went from messenger to telegraph, telephone, the internet, and satellite communication. Man has discovered and figured out how to sequence, alter, add, or subtract to his DNA and modern medicine continues to extend life beyond that which was prescribed to man. Man can control devices with his mind, create robots and is building artificial intelligence. I believe what we are witnessing now is the fullness of times once again, as foretold in Daniel 12:1-4…(keeping in mind Daniel was not told about the Church and the Church age was still a mystery).
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which stands for the children of your people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time your people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that are wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars forever and ever. But you, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Even so, Maranatha!
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Prophecy - Signs
Friday, May 05, 2017
Pete Garcia
Several years ago there was a growing movement within the watcher community that really tried to justify the Rapture happening in 2011. I remember this being a high-watch year for the Rapture of the Church and people were coming out of the woodwork with dreams and visions trying to validate/justify this reasoning.
The excitement centered on the idea that if we added 70 years to 1948, it would bring us to the year 2018. According to this logic, if the Second Coming took place in 2018, then by necessity we would have to subtract the required seven years for the Tribulation to occur, bringing us back to the year 2011. Well, 2011 came and went and we are still here. Clearly, there were some faults in this logic.
Although I remain hopeful every year, I did not throw my lot in with the majority in this group simply because I still had many reservations about the timing. My problem with 2011, was that it did not coincide with any other combination of years as they pertain to any pattern of historically significant or prophetic events as they relate to Israel…God’s prophetic timepiece. Interestingly, I had my own “dream” if you can call it that in March of 2012. It was very vivid in my mind even after I woke up and I emailed Jack Kinsella about it.
Jack probably thought I was off my rocker a little, but I kept this dream to myself for the most part over these last five years. I tend not to give a lot of credence to dreams and I do not consider them divine messages per se…but I do not completely discount them either. I think we must use discernment in these issues. But back on point, if you added 50 years to 1967, you would get 2017. But if you subtracted seven years from 2017 for a Second Coming, it takes you back to 2010 which cuts the seven-year tribulation (Daniel’s 70th Week) short by one year if you used 2011 as the benchmark. You could try this with any other year besides 2017 and you continually run into the same issues of numerical and prophetic incongruence.
Another high watch year was 2007, which if you were to subtract 40 years from, would bring you to 1967; the year the Jews recaptured Jerusalem in the Six Day War. Seeing as that time (and a subsequent seven-year tribulation) has come and gone, clearly, this could not have been the case, unless perhaps you happen to be a hardcore historical-preterist. (Just kidding) Other high watch years tended to be more symbolic than anything: 2012, 2000, 1999, etc. The truth is that Christ could have returned at any of those times but He didn't. If Israel is the SUPERSIGN of the last days (which I believe it is), then Israel has been back in her land since 1948. She has had control of Jerusalem since 1967. Why then are we still here in 2017 and the Lord has yet to return? What is He waiting on?
Assessment
But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:8-9
I do not think the Lord’s patience is random or arbitrary. Neither do I think it is simply because He is longsuffering (even though He is). But if longsuffering were God’s sole prerogative, then He could choose to wait until every last person alive today either dies in unbelief or converts and becomes a believer. This could take another hundred years or more which, in my opinion, would maximize longsuffering to its uttermost. But we then have two dilemmas; one which states that God is longsuffering and wants none to perish (this is true), and the other which is a Bible that states that the whole world (minus those redeemed) would enter into a time of judgment for their unbelief. Thus we must deduce that God’s longsuffering, in regards to a Christ-rejecting world, has an expiration date. So why should we think 2017 is any different or more special than 2011, 2007, 1999, 1988, etc.? Let’s recap what we know:
The significance of 2017:
[list="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: georgia,"]
[*]1897-2017=120 years, (Warning till judgment) First Zionist Congress convenes
[*]1917-2017=100 years, (God allows for time to store up judgment against the Amorites) Balfour Declaration
[*]1947-2017=70 years, (Punishment for Israel’s violation of the Land Sabbath) Israel wins right for statehood on 29 November 1947
[*]1967-2017=50 years, (Jubilee) Israel regains all of Jerusalem back in Six Day War
[*]1977-2017=40 years, (Period of testing) beginning of trials Vis a Vis "Land for Peace" beginning with the Camp David Accords
[*]1987-2017=30 years, (Priestly duties begin at 30 years of age) Temple Mount Institute founded
[*]The Jubilees
- 1897-1947= 50 years=one Jubilee cycle
- 1917-1967= 50 years=one Jubilee cycle
- 1967-2017= 50 years=one Jubilee cycle
[/list]
I believe that trying to justify anyone single definition of a generation in the Bible is futile. There are several examples of how long a generation could be, thus I do not believe the Bible pins its definition to just one. We know that before the flood, and just afterward, people lived for centuries which would make the standard 25-40 year generation seem awfully short. Likewise, we know that in the ensuing time different cultures have varying life spans. Thus trying to determine the exact length of a generation is pointless. Well, how then can we know what Jesus was referring to in the “Parable of the Fig Tree” when He said this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place (Matt. 24:32-34)? Well, about the only thing we can discern from this comes from the above-underlined portion, which harkens back to the length of time God has given a man to live in our present age.
The days of our lives are seventy years;
And if by reason of strength they are eighty years,
Yet their boast is only labor and sorrow;
For it is soon cut off, and we fly away. Psalm 90:10
We know some folks live longer than 70 or 80 years, but there also many who do not even reach 70 years of age. I believe this is a general average for all mankind and still allows for exceptions. Psalm 90 was the only one Moses penned and he lived to be 120 years old (Deut. 34:7). But concerning 2017, there has been at least five different points that converge together at this particular year. Grouping them you have:
- The biblically significant years (As shown above)
- The Jubilees connection (Lev. 25:8-55)
- Astronomical alignment (Revelation 12 sign, Luke 21:25)
- The political connection: President Trump ends 40 years of continual pressure on Israel to divide her land for peace; the two-state solution against Israel
- Geopolitical: Ezekiel 38, Psalm 83, Isaiah 17, etc. (All of these are in play today)
In fact, no other year has so many signs pointing to it that it could be confused for any other. No other combination works. This leads me to three points: the first by the angel Gabriel (to Daniel), the second by Jesus, and the third by the apostle Paul.
Daniel
The 70 Weeks Prophecy (as given to Daniel) would pinpoint the precise time period the Messiah would come to Israel by pointing out that He would be killed in the 483rd year (out of 490). This tells me two things:
[list="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: georgia,"]
[*]God does not shrink back from telling us precise things about the future.
[*]That if His people were to pay attention, they would know without a shadow of a doubt, when the Messiah would come.
[/list]
Yet, only a handful of people were anticipating the Messiah’s arrival at the correct time (Wise men from the east, Simeon, Anna the prophetess, and John the Baptist's parents). Jesus even remarked in Luke 19:41-44 that they (the Jews and Jerusalem) should have recognized their day (Palm Sunday) and that it was exactly 483 years to the day (173,880 days) since the recognizable commandment as was given to the cupbearer Nehemiah in his book, chapter 2.
Jesus
In His Olivet Discourse, Jesus explained that there would be 16 general signs marking the end of the age. Yet, these signs have been present in every generation. The distinction He makes is that they would escalate in size, frequency, and intensity until they reach a culmination point (i.e.…birth pangs would not go on indefinitely). Then He gives an absolutely obvious, unmistakable sign that happens smack dab in the middle of the 70th Week (three and a half years into the seven years) which is known as the Abomination of Desolation (Matt. 24:15).
So if we backward plan from the Abomination of Desolation would first require that a Jewish temple existed again. Remember He told them at the beginning of His Olivet Discourse that the Temple would be destroyed to the extent that not one stone would be left on the other (Matt. 23:37-24:2). For a Jewish temple to exist again requires that Jews are back in control of Jerusalem which had not been the case for 2,000 years. For Jews to control Jerusalem means that they would have to be back in their land as a sovereign Jewish nation. Clearly, the Arabs would not have any need or desire to rebuild a Jewish temple. Only Jews, in control of their land, would have the need and desire to rebuild a Jewish Temple. What they had lacked for the last 50 years, is the political will.
But the interesting thing Jesus stated (this after chastising the Pharisees for not recognizing the signs of the times-Matt. 16:1-4), was that no man could know the day or hour (Matt. 24:36). He stated only the Father would know when He would send His Son back to earth to fetch the Church. We know this is in reference to the Rapture because once the Tribulation begins, it is clearly defined by two, three and a half year halves of 42 months or 1,260 days each (Daniel 7:5; Revelation 12:6, 14, 13:5). One could easily count down the time from either the covenant (Dan. 9:27) or the Abomination of Desolation (Matt. 24:15, 2 Thess. 2:4) to know when the Second Coming would occur.
I believe because Jesus is being so specific here (day or hour) He is simply telling us that for two thousand years, mankind would not know the exactness of His return. It is not that we won’t know, but that we couldn’t know simply because this was all predicated on Israel being back in her land. With the exception of a certain Evangelicals and Dispensationalists of the 19th century, nobody expected Israel back as a nation again. Even then, these men didn’t know that it would require two World Wars for that to become a reality. In light of that fact, Israel is now back in her land. Now that we can clearly see this means we should know the season of His return is at hand. I would wager to say that the late 19th and 20th centuries were the ramping up of birth pangs and we all know what follows birth pangs? The Birth of the Church at the Rapture (Romans 8:22-23, 28-30)
Another thing to consider about those few Jews who read and anticipated Daniels 70 Weeks prophecy. They knew the Messiah would die in the 483rd year (of the 490 years per verse 9:26), but what they didn't know was how old the Messiah would be when He died. Even the Wise Men had to follow a Star (a cosmic sign) to Bethlehem. So while they did not know exactly when the Messiah would be alive, they had a general idea. (See Daniel 2 for why I hold that view on the Wise Men).
So for the better part of 2000 years, men, women, scholars, teachers and everyone else has wondered...when will Jesus return? But the missing key to making this whole puzzle come unlocked was the nation of Israel. Without Israel back in her land, there could be no AoD, because there would not be a Jewish temple, which means that those aforementioned 16 general signs would have had no frame of reference by which to place them. We even have a saying now that coincides with this: WWI prepared the land (Israel) for the people (the Jews), and WWII prepared the people (the Jews) for the land (Israel). Without Israel, those general signs would have just kept flowing cyclically both waxing and waning according to Satan's schemes and agenda.
Paul
The last reference is to the apostle Paul. He explains the Rapture of the Church to the fledgling Thessalonian church and in doing so (remember they didn't have chapter breaks back in the original texts) he states that they needn't fear because they (we) would recognize the season. After the Rapture, there is immediately sudden destruction, and they (Non-believers) shall not escape. Read it all together.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words. But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-5:5
I believe Paul believed that the Rapture of the Church would/could be imminent. He didn’t know (or at least we are not told whether he knew) when exactly it would occur. In his 2ndletter to the Thessalonians, Paul does clarify that the Antichrist (son of perdition) could NOT come, until the Restrainer (the Holy Spirit) was taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed (2 Thess. 2:6-8). Just as the Holy Spirit existed and operated on the earth prior to the day of Pentecost, so too will He exist and operate post-Rapture. What changes is His role in sealing a particular group of people known as the Church (salt and light) who being neither Jew nor Gentile, but a new creation (2 Cor. 5:17).
Conclusion
Just as the Pharisees refused to walk the 5 miles from Jerusalem to Bethlehem to see this newborn King of the Jews (Matt. 2:1-12), so too are their modern day counterparts (the skeptical religious class) who are unwilling to recognize the signs of the time. They do so at their own peril (at a minimum is a loss of spiritual rewards) because they refuse to teach, watch, or listen to those who do wait for the Lords return (2 Peter 3:3-7).
Will Christ return in 2017? I believe all signs point to yes making it a strong contender year, but that's just my opinion.
Will my faith be shaken if He does not? No, because I know without a doubt we are in The Season, just not sure which season that means. Does Christ’s return have to align with a Biblical Feast Date like Pentecost (Shavuot) or the Feast of Trumpets? From a historical and scriptural standpoint, it would seem logical...i.e., Christ fulfilled prophecies on the first four including the conception of the Church at Pentecost. But since I can’t see into the future, I really do not know. Logically, given all the signs of convergence, it seems like a strong year to keep looking up.
To answer a previous question, if Israel was the SUPERSIGN, why has He yet to return? I believe Galatians 4:4-5 answers that for us.
When Jesus came the first time, it was at the fullness of times (Gal. 4:4-5). Since Rome was the world power in Christ’s first century and they were the epitome of judicial law, regional order and stability (Pax Romana), military might, common language, accumulated knowledge, and so forth, that was God’s definition of the fullness of times. I believe that God’s longsuffering has been demonstrated quite thoroughly seeing that it is both 70 years since Israel become a nation again and 50 years since they’ve regained Jerusalem. Should the Lord tarry beyond 2017, all significance to the timing (see above) would move into the realm of random and arbitrary. This is not to say that God couldn’t still extend the time though if He chooses.
Fast forward to today, where mankind has dabbled and dominated in every domain of life to include playing God. The 20th century saw man break the sound barrier, walk on the moon, and built large hadron colliders. Communication went from messenger to telegraph, telephone, the internet, and satellite communication. Man has discovered and figured out how to sequence, alter, add, or subtract to his DNA and modern medicine continues to extend life beyond that which was prescribed to man. Man can control devices with his mind, create robots and is building artificial intelligence. I believe what we are witnessing now is the fullness of times once again, as foretold in Daniel 12:1-4…(keeping in mind Daniel was not told about the Church and the Church age was still a mystery).
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which stands for the children of your people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time your people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that are wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars forever and ever. But you, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Even so, Maranatha!
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Re: Pete Garcia ~ The Rapture and 2017
by Jarhead Tue May 09 2017, 07:18
From article:
>>We even have a saying now that coincides with this: WWI prepared the land (Israel) for the people (the Jews), and WWII prepared the people (the Jews) for the land (Israel). Without Israel, those general signs would have just kept flowing cyclically both waxing and waning according to Satan's schemes and agenda.<<
>> Christ fulfilled prophecies on the first four including the conception of the Church at Pentecost.<<
>>When Jesus came the first time, it was at the fullness of times (Gal. 4:4-5). Since Rome was the world power in Christ’s first century and they were the epitome of judicial law, regional order and stability (Pax Romana), military might, common language, accumulated knowledge, and so forth, that was God’s definition of the fullness of times. I believe that God’s longsuffering has been demonstrated quite thoroughly seeing that it is both 70 years since Israel become a nation again and 50 years since they’ve regained Jerusalem. Should the Lord tarry beyond 2017, all significance to the timing (see above) would move into the realm of random and arbitrary. This is not to say that God couldn’t still extend the time though if He chooses.<<
>> I believe what we are witnessing now is the fullness of times once again, as foretold in Daniel 12:1-4…(keeping in mind Daniel was not told about the Church and the Church age was still a mystery).<<
I like how Pete notes the Church as being conceived at Pentecost and how he ties all the correlations to precision.
>>We even have a saying now that coincides with this: WWI prepared the land (Israel) for the people (the Jews), and WWII prepared the people (the Jews) for the land (Israel). Without Israel, those general signs would have just kept flowing cyclically both waxing and waning according to Satan's schemes and agenda.<<
>> Christ fulfilled prophecies on the first four including the conception of the Church at Pentecost.<<
>>When Jesus came the first time, it was at the fullness of times (Gal. 4:4-5). Since Rome was the world power in Christ’s first century and they were the epitome of judicial law, regional order and stability (Pax Romana), military might, common language, accumulated knowledge, and so forth, that was God’s definition of the fullness of times. I believe that God’s longsuffering has been demonstrated quite thoroughly seeing that it is both 70 years since Israel become a nation again and 50 years since they’ve regained Jerusalem. Should the Lord tarry beyond 2017, all significance to the timing (see above) would move into the realm of random and arbitrary. This is not to say that God couldn’t still extend the time though if He chooses.<<
>> I believe what we are witnessing now is the fullness of times once again, as foretold in Daniel 12:1-4…(keeping in mind Daniel was not told about the Church and the Church age was still a mystery).<<
I like how Pete notes the Church as being conceived at Pentecost and how he ties all the correlations to precision.
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Re: Pete Garcia ~ The Rapture and 2017
by Tryphosa Tue May 09 2017, 10:08
Wow!! Wonder if the prophecy scholars are going to shun Pete after this one? 
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Tryphosa wrote:Wow!! Wonder if the prophecy scholars are going to shun Pete after this one?
You wonder if "they" will check out all the hyper-links in Pete's article?(hyper-link to Scott Clarke's video, click on Astronomical alignment)
Astronomical alignment (Revelation 12 sign, Luke 21:25)
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Re: Pete Garcia ~ The Rapture and 2017
by Tryphena Tue May 09 2017, 15:46
Thanks for pointing this out JH, I breezed past that one when I read the article this morning...
>> Christ fulfilled prophecies on the first four including the conception of the Church at Pentecost.<<
>> Christ fulfilled prophecies on the first four including the conception of the Church at Pentecost.<<
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Re: Pete Garcia ~ The Rapture and 2017
by Tryphena Tue May 09 2017, 15:50
"Fullness of times" makes me think "full-term," the time when healthy babies are born.
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Re: Pete Garcia ~ The Rapture and 2017
by Jarhead Tue May 09 2017, 16:19
Tryphena wrote:"Fullness of times" makes me think "full-term," the time when healthy babies are born.Tryphena wrote:Thanks for pointing this out JH, I breezed past that one when I read the article this morning...
>> Christ fulfilled prophecies on the first four including the conception of the Church at Pentecost.<<
Yes, I was reading and that phrase snagged my eyeballs and I had to re-read it to make sure! He is definitely in tune with Scott Clarke on this one. And, it is only logical if you are considering the 'birth' of the Church by the Woman in the Great Sign.
Great analogy, and probably the 'original' meaning ~ one that would be grasped by one and all. All this 'expectancy' has me feeling like one in the waiting room during delivery!
You know, a lot excited, a little apprehensive and eager for every little detail coming in from the delivery room! I've never been 'in' a delivery room but I've helped wait for a few ~ and it's exciting, even if you're not the parent!
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Re: Pete Garcia ~ The Rapture and 2017
by Jarhead Tue May 09 2017, 16:23
Tryphosa wrote:Wow!! Wonder if the prophecy scholars are going to shun Pete after this one?
Yanno?
Guess I'd rather be embarrassed than be at the back of the line at the Bema Seat. There's only one crown that has me even hoping for and that's the Crown of Righteousness, for longing his appearing.
Many are feeling comfortable these days in making a stand ~ the preponderance of signs/witness is just too overwhelming to ignore, nor be on the fence about.
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Re: Pete Garcia ~ The Rapture and 2017
by Tryphosa Tue May 09 2017, 20:58
Bema Seat, never thought of it like that, yep longing for His appearing even if it's not time yet, no punishment in that, but a crown.Jarhead wrote:Tryphosa wrote:Wow!! Wonder if the prophecy scholars are going to shun Pete after this one?
Yanno?
Guess I'd rather be embarrassed than be at the back of the line at the Bema Seat. There's only one crown that has me even hoping for and that's the Crown of Righteousness, for longing his appearing.
Many are feeling comfortable these days in making a stand ~ the preponderance of signs/witness is just too overwhelming to ignore, nor be on the fence about.
And for sure one cannot ignore this one!
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Re: Pete Garcia ~ The Rapture and 2017
by Tryphosa Tue May 09 2017, 21:03
Tryphena wrote:Tryphosa wrote:Wow!! Wonder if the prophecy scholars are going to shun Pete after this one?
(hyper-link to Scott Clarke's video, click on Astronomical alignment)
Astronomical alignment (Revelation 12 sign, Luke 21:25)
It's like Pete encoded his article. Very cool!!
(same interview you posted here JH
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Re: Pete Garcia ~ The Rapture and 2017
by Tryphena Tue May 09 2017, 21:23
- The biblically significant years (As shown above)
- The Jubilees connection (Lev. 25:8-55)
- Astronomical alignment (Revelation 12 sign, Luke 21:25)
- The political connection: President Trump ends 40 years of continual pressure on Israel to divide her land for peace; the two-state solution against Israel
- Geopolitical: Ezekiel 38, Psalm 83, Isaiah 17, etc. (All of these are in play today)
If you click on Revelation 12 sign (above) you hyperlink to Scott Clarke's video, here is the video...
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Re: Pete Garcia ~ The Rapture and 2017
by Tryphosa Tue May 09 2017, 22:05
From the article...
Yet, only a handful of people were anticipating the Messiah’s arrival at the correct time (Wise men from the east, Simeon, Anna the prophetess, and John the Baptist's parents). Jesus even remarked in Luke 19:41-44 that they (the Jews and Jerusalem) should have recognized their day (Palm Sunday) and that it was exactly 483 years to the day (173,880 days) since the recognizable commandment as was given to the cupbearer Nehemiah in his book, chapter 2.
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So much prophecy is discovered after the fact! For example when Israel became a nation, it became a mega sign after 1948. Like the above prophecy, the Messiah's arrival... here we are before the date of the sign. Before... let that sink in... Before...
So what is one to do about it??
Put it on the shelf or hop on the camel and join the caravan?
If this turns out to be the Great Sign, it's the journey of an eternal life time. If it's not, one may face disappointment but nothing lost, not even a crown
Yet, only a handful of people were anticipating the Messiah’s arrival at the correct time (Wise men from the east, Simeon, Anna the prophetess, and John the Baptist's parents). Jesus even remarked in Luke 19:41-44 that they (the Jews and Jerusalem) should have recognized their day (Palm Sunday) and that it was exactly 483 years to the day (173,880 days) since the recognizable commandment as was given to the cupbearer Nehemiah in his book, chapter 2.
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So much prophecy is discovered after the fact! For example when Israel became a nation, it became a mega sign after 1948. Like the above prophecy, the Messiah's arrival... here we are before the date of the sign. Before... let that sink in... Before...
So what is one to do about it??
Put it on the shelf or hop on the camel and join the caravan?
If this turns out to be the Great Sign, it's the journey of an eternal life time. If it's not, one may face disappointment but nothing lost, not even a crown
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Re: Pete Garcia ~ The Rapture and 2017
by Tryphena Fri May 12 2017, 17:55
Tryphosa wrote:From the article...
Yet, only a handful of people were anticipating the Messiah’s arrival at the correct time (Wise men from the east, Simeon, Anna the prophetess, and John the Baptist's parents). Jesus even remarked in Luke 19:41-44 that they (the Jews and Jerusalem) should have recognized their day (Palm Sunday) and that it was exactly 483 years to the day (173,880 days) since the recognizable commandment as was given to the cupbearer Nehemiah in his book, chapter 2.
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So much prophecy is discovered after the fact! For example when Israel became a nation, it became a mega sign after 1948. Like the above prophecy, the Messiah's arrival... here we are before the date of the sign. Before... let that sink in... Before...
So what is one to do about it??
Put it on the shelf or hop on the camel and join the caravan?
If this turns out to be the Great Sign, it's the journey of an eternal life time. If it's not, one may face disappointment but nothing lost, not even a crown
Well said Tyo, thank you for your permission, your comment (slightly edited) was posted on PG's article over on OL.
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Re: Pete Garcia ~ The Rapture and 2017
by Tryphosa Fri May 12 2017, 22:14
Tryphena wrote:Tryphosa wrote:From the article...
Yet, only a handful of people were anticipating the Messiah’s arrival at the correct time (Wise men from the east, Simeon, Anna the prophetess, and John the Baptist's parents). Jesus even remarked in Luke 19:41-44 that they (the Jews and Jerusalem) should have recognized their day (Palm Sunday) and that it was exactly 483 years to the day (173,880 days) since the recognizable commandment as was given to the cupbearer Nehemiah in his book, chapter 2.
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So much prophecy is discovered after the fact! For example when Israel became a nation, it became a mega sign after 1948. Like the above prophecy, the Messiah's arrival... here we are before the date of the sign. Before... let that sink in... Before...
So what is one to do about it??
Put it on the shelf or hop on the camel and join the caravan?
If this turns out to be the Great Sign, it's the journey of an eternal life time. If it's not, one may face disappointment but nothing lost, not even a crown
Well said Tyo, thank you for your permission, your comment (slightly edited) was posted on PG's article over on OL.
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Re: Pete Garcia ~ The Rapture and 2017
by Tryphosa Sat May 13 2017, 09:03
Just as the Pharisees refused to walk the 5 miles from Jerusalem to Bethlehem to see this newborn King of the Jews (Matt. 2:1-12), so too are their modern day counterparts (the skeptical religious class) who are unwilling to recognize the signs of the time. They do so at their own peril (at a minimum is a loss of spiritual rewards) because they refuse to teach, watch, or listen to those who do wait for the Lords return (2 Peter 3:3-7).
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Have been going thru the Bible every year for the last ten years or so. I remember reading Revelation 12, totally perplexing, then coming across Scott Clarks and others commentaries backed up with Scripture. Amazing, a huge blessing from the Lord who gives understanding! The Lord makes it easy for those searching with computers, one does not have to leave their home. The wait will not be long, possibly by the end of this year we will understand The Great Sign of Revelation 12.
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Have been going thru the Bible every year for the last ten years or so. I remember reading Revelation 12, totally perplexing, then coming across Scott Clarks and others commentaries backed up with Scripture. Amazing, a huge blessing from the Lord who gives understanding! The Lord makes it easy for those searching with computers, one does not have to leave their home. The wait will not be long, possibly by the end of this year we will understand The Great Sign of Revelation 12.
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Re: Pete Garcia ~ The Rapture and 2017
by Tryphena Sun May 14 2017, 06:59
This is another "Go-To" article, one to read & refer back to again & again. Below is the comment I posted over on OL...
Comments: Thank you Pete. So much prophecy is discovered after the fact. As when Israel became a nation, it became a supersign after 1948. Like the above prophecy, the Messiah's arrival... here we are before the date of the sign (great sign or wonder ~ Revelation 12:1). Before... let that sink in... Before...
So what is one to do about it??
Put it on the shelf or hop on the camel and join the caravan?
If this turns out to be the Great Sign, it's the journey of an eternal life time. If it's not, one may face disappointment but nothing lost, not even a crown.
(it's number 17 comment)
Comments: Thank you Pete. So much prophecy is discovered after the fact. As when Israel became a nation, it became a supersign after 1948. Like the above prophecy, the Messiah's arrival... here we are before the date of the sign (great sign or wonder ~ Revelation 12:1). Before... let that sink in... Before...
So what is one to do about it??
Put it on the shelf or hop on the camel and join the caravan?
If this turns out to be the Great Sign, it's the journey of an eternal life time. If it's not, one may face disappointment but nothing lost, not even a crown.
(it's number 17 comment)
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Pete Garcia ~ An Hour You Think Not
by Tryphena Wed Jun 07 2017, 06:42
Pete's follow-up article...
An Hour You Think Not
Monday, May 15, 2017
Pete Garcia
Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.” Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?” Matthew 24:1-3
One of the most common rebukes used to discourage people from studying prophecy or the Rapture of the Church is a passage taken from Jesus in the Olivet Discourse. In Matthew 24:36, Jesus states but of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. On the surface, it appears that Jesus was trying to dissuade His disciples from trying figure out when exactly all these fantastical things He had just shared with them would occur. Yet, if Jesus was really trying to dissuade them from knowing, why explain in such great detail all the things He does concerning the original three questions they asked?
At the time of the Olivet Discourse, Jesus had not been arrested, tried, crucified, or resurrected so even the events surrounding even that very week was not fully clear to the disciples. At His arrest, the disciples scattered, Peter would go on to deny Christ three times, and they would watch in agony as their Messiah gets publically and humiliatingly nailed to a cross. Even after His resurrection and subsequent forty days amongst them, the disciples were still in confusion as to what was to happen next.
Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.” Acts 1:6-8
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An Hour You Think Not
Monday, May 15, 2017
Pete Garcia
Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.” Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?” Matthew 24:1-3
One of the most common rebukes used to discourage people from studying prophecy or the Rapture of the Church is a passage taken from Jesus in the Olivet Discourse. In Matthew 24:36, Jesus states but of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. On the surface, it appears that Jesus was trying to dissuade His disciples from trying figure out when exactly all these fantastical things He had just shared with them would occur. Yet, if Jesus was really trying to dissuade them from knowing, why explain in such great detail all the things He does concerning the original three questions they asked?
At the time of the Olivet Discourse, Jesus had not been arrested, tried, crucified, or resurrected so even the events surrounding even that very week was not fully clear to the disciples. At His arrest, the disciples scattered, Peter would go on to deny Christ three times, and they would watch in agony as their Messiah gets publically and humiliatingly nailed to a cross. Even after His resurrection and subsequent forty days amongst them, the disciples were still in confusion as to what was to happen next.
Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.” Acts 1:6-8
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Re: Pete Garcia ~ The Rapture and 2017
by Jarhead Wed Jun 07 2017, 08:18
The convergence of details is becoming undeniable.
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Re: Pete Garcia ~ The Rapture and 2017
by Tryphosa Wed Jun 07 2017, 10:48
From the article, last paragraph:
Like a countdown, we have seen 120, 100, 70, 50, 40, and 30 year-markers as well as three Jubilee cycles (two of which overlap) happening in the same period of time. Perhaps 2017 does come and go without a peep and we are still here. At this point, then I would really be looking up. Either 2017 comes and goes, or we do, but therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect (Matt. 24:44).
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Here we are on the verge of a possible Noahatic (yep I'm inventing a word) Event. Right now this time we are in could be like, (but much huger), before Pearl Harbor 1941, pre 9-11, before the Japanese earthquake/tsunami of 2011, pre 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake/tsunami, pre Haitian earthquake or on a personal level before a loved one unexpectedly passes away. This is where we are right now, (trying not to preach to the choir) but sure makes one think, how should one be living...thinking, doing, speaking, praying, fasting, going, etc...and yes if one is saved no worries, but still quite mind-blowing. Certainly a time to keep close to our Lord and remember our unsaved in prayer.
Like a countdown, we have seen 120, 100, 70, 50, 40, and 30 year-markers as well as three Jubilee cycles (two of which overlap) happening in the same period of time. Perhaps 2017 does come and go without a peep and we are still here. At this point, then I would really be looking up. Either 2017 comes and goes, or we do, but therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect (Matt. 24:44).
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Here we are on the verge of a possible Noahatic (yep I'm inventing a word) Event. Right now this time we are in could be like, (but much huger), before Pearl Harbor 1941, pre 9-11, before the Japanese earthquake/tsunami of 2011, pre 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake/tsunami, pre Haitian earthquake or on a personal level before a loved one unexpectedly passes away. This is where we are right now, (trying not to preach to the choir) but sure makes one think, how should one be living...thinking, doing, speaking, praying, fasting, going, etc...and yes if one is saved no worries, but still quite mind-blowing. Certainly a time to keep close to our Lord and remember our unsaved in prayer.
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Re: Pete Garcia ~ The Rapture and 2017
by Jarhead Wed Jun 07 2017, 15:07
Tyo, you're correct (Noahic ) the Rapture will beat the "where were you when Kennedy was shot" moment by the longest shot ever!
) the Rapture will beat the "where were you when Kennedy was shot" moment by the longest shot ever!
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There's the correct spelling, Noahic, thanks JH!Jarhead wrote:Tyo, you're correct (Noahic
It will be a remembered moment like the Kennedy time... a world-wide shock moment...
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Garcia ~ Heaven Can Wait?
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(History lesson on the Doctrine of Imminence)
Heaven Can Wait?
Is the Doctrine of Imminence still relevant? Part I
Prophecy - Signs
Monday, June 05, 2017
Pete Garcia
One would think that a key tenet of our faith in which all Christians could rally around, would be the return of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. After all, isn’t that what it means to be Christian? Or do we profess faith in a God we have no desire to ever meet? As mind boggling as it may seem, there are large sections of professing Christians who do not teach, preach, write, or even talk about our Lord’s soon return.
The conundrum in our current reality, is that our Lord’s return has become a controversial and even taboo topic most churches refuse to discuss openly. This seeming hostility towards the Lord’s return is not accidental though, but by design. On the spectrum of things hated, Satan’s hatred of this topic is infinitely more visceral than even the most diehard leftist liberal’s hatred of President Trump.
So if we divide Eschatology (the study of last things) into two major sections, there would be the macro (large) view and the micro (small) view. One would think something as innocuous as the doctrine of imminence would be fairly non-controversial, given the abundant warnings laid out in Scripture to be ready. As is the situation with the macro-views of eschatology (Premillennial, Amillennial, and Post-Millennial), which divide over where Christ returns in relation to the Millennium, this doctrine of imminence most sharply divides amongst the micro-views within the Premillennial camp itself. It is the benchmark by which the Pre-Tribulation view distinguishes itself from the other premillennial rapture views such as Pre-Wrath, Mid-Trib, and Post-Tribulation Rapture. It is of imminence that the late Dr. John Walvoord writes,
The central feature of pretribulationism, the doctrine of imminency, is, however, a prominent feature of the doctrine of the early church ... [which] lived in constant expectation of the coming of the Lord for His church.
In his seminal research article speaking exhaustively about the issues surrounding the doctrine of imminence (i.e., any moment return of Christ at the Rapture), Dr. Gerald Stanton (contributing to the Pre-Trib Research Center) has done the yeoman’s job of putting all the historical and current issues together of this topic. But because imminence is a pillar by which the Pre-Tribulation Rapture position distinguishes itself from other premillennial views, it has as of late, become controversial. To which, this article you now read will quote from research by Dr. Stanton for reference to compare. Quoting from the source document:
It is generally agreed that the Christian Church of the first three centuries was Premillennial, although the common term used was Chiliasm, from the Greek chiliad meaning "thousand." It is less clear when the concept of Christ's soon return was first explicitly stated as imminent which is a theological word rather than a Biblical. Richard Reiter has traced it to the Niagara Bible Conference of 1878, and more specifically to the five resolutions of the first general American Bible and prophetic conference held in New York City the same year. Article 3 stated: "This second coming of the Lord is everywhere in the Scriptures represented as imminent, and may occur at any moment."[5] However, among the Niagara delegates arose three different definitions of imminent (1) Christ may appear at any moment, but this will be understood only by the final generation of the Church (A. J. Gordon). (2) Christ could return within the lifetime of any individual generation of believers (Samuel H. Kellogg). (3) "Imminent" requires "the coming of Christ for his saints as possible any hour" (Arthur T. Pierson).
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Heaven Can Wait?
Is the Doctrine of Imminence still relevant? Part I
Prophecy - Signs
Monday, June 05, 2017
Pete Garcia
One would think that a key tenet of our faith in which all Christians could rally around, would be the return of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. After all, isn’t that what it means to be Christian? Or do we profess faith in a God we have no desire to ever meet? As mind boggling as it may seem, there are large sections of professing Christians who do not teach, preach, write, or even talk about our Lord’s soon return.
The conundrum in our current reality, is that our Lord’s return has become a controversial and even taboo topic most churches refuse to discuss openly. This seeming hostility towards the Lord’s return is not accidental though, but by design. On the spectrum of things hated, Satan’s hatred of this topic is infinitely more visceral than even the most diehard leftist liberal’s hatred of President Trump.
So if we divide Eschatology (the study of last things) into two major sections, there would be the macro (large) view and the micro (small) view. One would think something as innocuous as the doctrine of imminence would be fairly non-controversial, given the abundant warnings laid out in Scripture to be ready. As is the situation with the macro-views of eschatology (Premillennial, Amillennial, and Post-Millennial), which divide over where Christ returns in relation to the Millennium, this doctrine of imminence most sharply divides amongst the micro-views within the Premillennial camp itself. It is the benchmark by which the Pre-Tribulation view distinguishes itself from the other premillennial rapture views such as Pre-Wrath, Mid-Trib, and Post-Tribulation Rapture. It is of imminence that the late Dr. John Walvoord writes,
The central feature of pretribulationism, the doctrine of imminency, is, however, a prominent feature of the doctrine of the early church ... [which] lived in constant expectation of the coming of the Lord for His church.
In his seminal research article speaking exhaustively about the issues surrounding the doctrine of imminence (i.e., any moment return of Christ at the Rapture), Dr. Gerald Stanton (contributing to the Pre-Trib Research Center) has done the yeoman’s job of putting all the historical and current issues together of this topic. But because imminence is a pillar by which the Pre-Tribulation Rapture position distinguishes itself from other premillennial views, it has as of late, become controversial. To which, this article you now read will quote from research by Dr. Stanton for reference to compare. Quoting from the source document:
It is generally agreed that the Christian Church of the first three centuries was Premillennial, although the common term used was Chiliasm, from the Greek chiliad meaning "thousand." It is less clear when the concept of Christ's soon return was first explicitly stated as imminent which is a theological word rather than a Biblical. Richard Reiter has traced it to the Niagara Bible Conference of 1878, and more specifically to the five resolutions of the first general American Bible and prophetic conference held in New York City the same year. Article 3 stated: "This second coming of the Lord is everywhere in the Scriptures represented as imminent, and may occur at any moment."[5] However, among the Niagara delegates arose three different definitions of imminent (1) Christ may appear at any moment, but this will be understood only by the final generation of the Church (A. J. Gordon). (2) Christ could return within the lifetime of any individual generation of believers (Samuel H. Kellogg). (3) "Imminent" requires "the coming of Christ for his saints as possible any hour" (Arthur T. Pierson).
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http://www.omegaletter.com/articles/articles.asp?ArticleID=8453
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Re: Pete Garcia ~ The Rapture and 2017
by Tryphena Sat Jun 10 2017, 08:24
Tryphosa wrote:There's the correct spelling, Noahic, thanks JH!Jarhead wrote:Tyo, you're correct (Noahic
It will be a remembered moment like the Kennedy time... a world-wide shock moment...
I remember the moment when I learned of the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami. Visiting relatives I walked into the living room where the tv was on. Someone exclaimed "A big wave came and washed all the people away!" Someone else called it a tidal wave. In our land-locked state the word tsunami was unknown (although well known in ocean side areas of the world). The word is common now and everyone can pronounce it & even spell it.
Thinking about the word Rapture. I believe many will come to know it & realize what they missed and no doubt there will be another word used by the still unbelievers.
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